4. Ida van der Lee

Van der Lee tells how Names and Numbers got a national variant, and she was able to let go of it (in part) as a result. What it's like to work with dozens of volunteers and how this project has held its own in the art discourse where artistry is heavily weighted. Another art project that can also be found in Amsterdam's Oosterpark neighborhood is Stolpersteine by Günther Demnig; Van der lee explains why her and his project complement each other well

Our thesis to this podcast:

Artisticity is not a compelling condition for important visual art

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